FlokiNET renewal came in higher than I budgeted — what else in Europe ignores a notice?

Depends what you're running, as always, so: three boxes, static sites and a couple of redirectors, nothing that generates real complaint volume. Iceland node, two years, no problems at all — I want to say that clearly, because this isn't a complaint about the service.

It's a complaint about the line item. Renewal came in and the number is now big enough that I'm doing arithmetic I wasn't doing in 2021.

What I actually need: a European jurisdiction, a host that doesn't forward a routine notice, and payment in something that isn't a card. What I don't need is maximum legal hardening — nothing I run is worth a court order.

Who's on what?

Netherlands, offshore tier. Cheaper than Iceland and complaint is not forwarded on that tier.

Careful — is two product line and only one is offshore. People buy wrong one and then post here angry.

Netherlands is not a jurisdiction you pick for takedown resistance. It's one you pick for peering.

You've asked the question in the right shape, which is rare, so it's worth answering in the same shape rather than listing hosts.

Bulletproof is three separate properties and you only need one

1. Complaint handling. Does a routine abuse email result in your box being suspended, or in a forwarded message you can ignore? This is a policy, it costs the host nothing, and it is the property most people actually want.
2. Jurisdiction. Whose court order can compel the host, and how hard is one to obtain. This is expensive to provide and you pay for it whether you use it or not.
3. Payment and identity. What the host knows about you, and what they can be made to hand over.

Your description — static sites, redirectors, low complaint volume, nothing worth a court order — says you need one and three, and you have been paying for two.

What that means in practice

The Iceland and Sweden tier prices in decades of takedown-resistance history. That is real, and it is worth the money if your offer is the kind that attracts an actual legal instrument. Redirectors do not attract legal instruments; they attract form emails from brand-protection firms, and a host with a no-forward policy in an ordinary European datacentre handles those identically to a host that survived a raid.

The Netherlands offshore tier is the obvious step down, and vlad is right about the trap — the same company sells a standard tier that forwards everything, and if you order from the wrong page you have bought a normal VPS with a story attached.

The part I would push back on

Ravenstack's objection is correct as a general statement and not relevant to you. You are not buying the Netherlands for its courts, you are buying it for a policy and a price. The jurisdiction only matters at the point where somebody spends money to come after you.

Uncertainty

I have not personally run anything on the Dutch offshore tier for longer than about four months, so I cannot speak to renewal behaviour or to what happens under a sustained complaint campaign rather than a one-off. Somebody who has should say so.

Short version: buy the policy, not the legend, unless the legend is load-bearing.

That's the framing I was missing. Three years paying for property two and never needed it.

I'll say the unfashionable thing, which is that the price of the legend is the point.

In 2014 everyone ran their PBNs on whatever was cheapest and got them all wiped in the same week when one reseller folded, because cheap hosts fold. The ones that have been there twenty years have been there twenty years, and that isn't a marketing claim - it's the only claim in this whole sector that's actually falsifiable.

You'll save maybe eight euro a month and you'll spend a weekend migrating when the cheap one changes hands. I've done that migration four times and I'm too old for the fifth.

Four migrations over how many years? That decides whether it's a warning or a rounding error.

Went with the Dutch offshore tier for the two redirectors and left the static sites where they are. Split the difference and halved the bill.

Will report if a complaint lands. Nothing yet, but nothing was landing before either.