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Same offer, nine dollars more on another network. How do people move without torching the relationship

Started 08 May 2024 · 09:16 · 9 replies · 741 views

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Marta_K

Member

08 May 2024 · 09:16#1

Caveat first: the numbers are not identical offers, they are the same advertiser and the same landing page with a different network on the redirect. I know that matters.

My current network pays 34. Another one has it at 43 and will do 45 at my volume, which is somewhere in the low four figures a week. That difference is not a rounding error for me.

  1. The manager I have now took a chance on me in 2022 when nobody else would approve me and I have run through him ever since. 2) He is also the reason I have caps raised on two other offers I would not want to lose. 3) I do not know whether moving one offer costs me the other two, and nobody will tell me that in advance.

What does the move actually look like when people here do it? Straight cut over, or split and say nothing?

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grindstone

Senior Member

08 May 2024 · 09:41↑ replying to #1#2

you take him the 43 and ask him to match. he either can or he can't. that's the whole conversation

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byte_broker

Member

08 May 2024 · 11:27↑ replying to #1#3

Depends what you're running, but on this one I'd say grindstone has it and I'd add the mechanics.

Don't name the other network. Say "I'm seeing 43 on this vertical elsewhere and I'd rather not move." A manager who is worth keeping goes to the advertiser and comes back with something. A manager who isn't tells you 43 is impossible, and then you know the 43 is real and he's just not going to fight for it.

The part people get wrong is timing. Do it at the start of a pay period, not the end, because at the end you have money sitting with him and that is leverage he has and you don't.

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cashflowkid

Member

08 May 2024 · 13:03↑ replying to #1#4

just move! 9 bucks x your volume is huge, that's like a car by christmas. managers get replaced all the time, they'd drop you in a second

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hana_v

Member

09 May 2024 · 01:52↑ replying to #4#5

They would, but that's not an argument for behaving the same way, it's an argument for not being sentimental while still being professional.

The thing Marta_K is actually protecting is the raised caps on the other two offers, and those are worth more than nine dollars a lead if she loses them. So the sequence matters: ask for the match first, split second, and only cut over fully once the new network has paid her twice on time.

One caveat. Check whether the higher payout at the second network comes with a longer hold or a scrub window. Forty-three on net45 with a 10% clawback rate is worse than thirty-four on net15 that always clears.

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Ravenstack

Senior Member

09 May 2024 · 08:19↑ replying to #1#6

Where did the 43 come from? A manager pitching you, or an affiliate who has actually been paid it?

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paulofrz

Member

09 May 2024 · 09:01#7

Actually i have the same doubt right now, so thank you for asking it my friend.

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Marta_K

Member

09 May 2024 · 09:44↑ replying to #6#8

A manager pitching me, which I take your point on.

I have one contact who runs the same vertical there and he says 41 is what he actually gets after their scrub, not 43. So the real gap is seven, not nine. Still worth having the conversation, less worth burning anything for.

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echoshale

Newbie

09 May 2024 · 09:58↑ replying to #8#9

there it is. the pitched number is never the paid number

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Marta_K

Member

14 Jun 2024 · 15:31↑ replying to #1#10

Update, five weeks on, since this board is short of people who close their own threads.

Asked for the match without naming anyone. He came back in three days with 39 and a cap raise I hadn't asked for. Not 43, but 39 that pays on net15 against 41 that pays on net45 is not a hard sum.

I still split about a quarter of the volume to the other network, told him I was doing it and why, and he was fine about it. His words were roughly that he'd rather see it in the dashboard than find out later.

So: ask, don't threaten, don't vanish. byte_broker's timing point was the useful one - I did it three days into a period and there was nothing of mine sitting on his side while we talked.

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