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Paid $600 for an aged domain and six months later it still does nothing

Started 17 Sep 2024 · 13:41 · 9 replies · 674 views

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d_marchetti

Jr. Member

17 Sep 2024 · 13:41#1

Sorry if this is the wrong section, and sorry in advance for the length, I want to give the whole picture because I think I've done something obviously wrong and I'd rather be told than keep guessing.

Back in February I decided to stop building sites on fresh domains because everyone here says they take a year to do anything. So I saved up and bought an aged one at auction. $600, which for me is a lot. Registered 2009, so fifteen years old. The backlink tool showed 340 referring domains, a DR in the high 30s, and the profile looked clean when I skimmed it - news sites, a couple of universities, some blogs.

I put a real site on it. 22 articles written properly, about 1,500 words each, on the same broad topic the domain used to be about. Interlinked it, put a sitemap in, submitted it, the lot. That was the first week of March.

It's now September. The site is indexed - all 22 pages - and it gets about 30 visits a month, all from queries with my brand name in them. Nothing ranks for anything. A brand new domain I built in April for a different project is already doing better than it.

So the aged domain has given me nothing at all over six months, and I don't understand what I paid for. Where do I even start looking? Thank you to anyone who takes the time.

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byte_broker

Member

17 Sep 2024 · 15:08↑ replying to #1#2

I sell these, so read what follows knowing that, but I'd rather people bought the right ones than bought from me.

The short version is that you bought a metric, not a domain. DR in the high 30s and 340 referring domains is what the tool says. What matters is a set of things the tool doesn't show you, and in my experience the order of importance is roughly:

First, is the history continuous or is there a gap. A domain that dropped in 2016 and sat parked for eight years is not a fifteen-year-old domain, it's a new domain with an old registration date. Whatever equity it had has been re-evaluated and mostly written off. Check the archive and find out what was on it every year - if there are years of nothing, or years of a parking page, or worse, years of a completely different language pharma site, that's your answer.

Second, what were those 340 domains linking to. If they linked to a page that hasn't existed since 2016 and you've rebuilt a different site, you have 340 links pointing at 404s and a tool that still counts them.

Third, and this is the one that catches people at auction: was it already flipped once? A lot of what's on the auction sites now has been through two or three owners doing exactly what you did, and each pass burns it a bit more.

Depends what you're running, but at $600 with those numbers I'd have expected the seller to be able to answer all three. Did you buy it from a marketplace or straight off a drop catcher?

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grindstone

Senior Member

17 Sep 2024 · 15:33↑ replying to #1#3

you bought a number off a chart. the number wasn't for sale, the domain was

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old_growth_seo

Senior Member

17 Sep 2024 · 18:24↑ replying to #1#4

There's a timing element here that nobody has mentioned yet and it's not a small one.

You put the site up in the first week of March. The March core update started on the 5th and ran until the 19th, and alongside it they published new spam policies, one of which was expired domain abuse - buying a domain for its history and putting unrelated content on it, named explicitly as a policy for the first time. That was March 2024. You launched into it.

Now, I'm not saying you got hit by that. Your content is on the same broad topic, which is the thing the policy is aimed at not being. But the whole category got looked at that month, and 'aged domain, rebuilt, waiting for the old links to carry' has been the least productive twelve months I can remember since about 2018.

The longer view: this tactic peaked in 2013. You could drop a domain on anything and it would rank inside a fortnight off nothing but the age. That died in stages - 2016 for the easy version, 2019 for the version where you had to make it look plausible, and March this year for whatever was left. I keep telling people and they keep buying them, because the tools still show the number and the number is the thing they can see.

What you actually bought is a domain with no penalty and no advantage. That's worth about $12.

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Ravenstack

Senior Member

17 Sep 2024 · 19:02↑ replying to #1#5

What was actually on it between 2016 and last year? Check before anyone speculates further.

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d_marchetti

Jr. Member

18 Sep 2024 · 09:15↑ replying to #5#6

Just checked properly for the first time, which I should have done in February.

2009 to 2015 it's a real site, looks legitimate. 2016 to 2021 is a parking page. 2022 there's a Japanese-language site on it that I can't read but it has a lot of outbound links. 2023 is parked again, then me.

So that's a seven-year gap and something odd in the middle. I feel quite stupid.

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PipelineRat

Member

18 Sep 2024 · 10:47↑ replying to #6#7

Don't. Everyone buys one of these before they learn to check. The 2022 Japanese site is the interesting bit though.

Two things to do before you write the $600 off. First, check Search Console for a manual action - they follow the domain, not the owner, and if one was applied in 2022 and never revoked it's still there and you'd have no idea unless you looked at the security and manual actions tab.

Second, IME the parking years matter less than people think but the outbound-link phase matters a lot. A domain that spent a year selling links out is a domain that's been assessed, and that assessment doesn't reset because the registrant changed.

If there's no manual action, you've got a neutral domain with a decent brand-name profile and 22 real articles on it. That's not nothing, it's just not what you paid for. What does the manual actions tab say?

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hexforge

Senior Member

19 Sep 2024 · 11:36↑ replying to #1#8

Since this comes up monthly, here is the checklist I actually run before I let anyone spend money at auction. It takes about forty minutes per domain and it has stopped me buying far more than it has let me buy, which I think is the correct ratio.

1. Reconstruct the history year by year

Open the archive and look at one snapshot per year from first registration to now. You are looking for three things: continuity, language, and topic. A single year of parking is survivable. Three consecutive years of parking means the profile has been re-evaluated at least once without a live site behind it, and in my experience that is where most of the value goes.

A language change is close to disqualifying. It means the domain was flipped for its metrics at least once already, and it means some fraction of those referring domains are pointing at content that no longer exists in a language nobody expected.

2. Check what the links point at, not just how many there are

Export the referring pages and look at the target URLs. If 300 of the 340 point at paths that returned 404 for the last eight years, you do not have 340 links. You have 340 rows in a database that has not been recrawled.

This is the single biggest gap between what the tools show and what exists. The tools are not lying; they are reporting the last state they observed, and for a dead domain that state can be a decade old.

3. Look for the flip signature

A domain that has already been through this cycle usually shows it: a period of real content, a gap, then a thin twenty-page site on a broadly related topic that lasted eleven months, then another gap. That thin site was somebody doing exactly what you are about to do. If it did not work for them, ask why it would work for you.

4. Manual actions and the security tab

Add the domain to Search Console before you bid if you can - you can verify by DNS at the registrar during the transfer window on some marketplaces, though not at auction. If you cannot check beforehand, check within an hour of taking control, because if there is something there you want it on record that it predates your content.

5. Price it as though the history is worth nothing

This is the rule I would give you if you only take one. Decide what you would pay for the name alone - the brandability, the extension, the length - and treat any ranking benefit from the history as an option that might pay off. If the price only makes sense when the history works, you are betting the whole amount on the least predictable part.

I have not run a controlled test on any of this since the March policy changes and I would not claim my hit rate is what it was in 2022. But every domain I have bought that went on to work passed all five, and most of the ones that did nothing failed at least two.

Summary: history is a liability to be checked, not an asset to be bought.

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echo29

Newbie

19 Sep 2024 · 12:04↑ replying to #8#9

point 5 is the only one anybody will remember and it's the right one

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d_marchetti

Jr. Member

29 Oct 2024 · 16:52↑ replying to #7#10

Reporting back because a few of you asked me to and because I said I would.

No manual action. The tab is empty, so at least that.

I exported the referring pages like hexforge said. 340 referring domains, and 291 of them point at four URLs that have been gone since 2015. Of the rest, about 20 point at the old homepage and the others are scattered. So realistically I bought around 30 usable links, most of them from small blogs, and I paid $20 each for them without knowing that's what I was doing.

The site itself is fine. It's just a normal new site with an old registration date, exactly like old_growth_seo said, and it's going to take as long as a new site would. Which is annoying but at least it's a known problem now.

Thank you all, genuinely - byte_broker, PipelineRat, hexforge especially. I've written the checklist down and I'm not buying another one this year.

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