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XMR or nothing (no fiat fallback) — who still takes it and who quietly stopped?

Started 08 Oct 2024 · 09:33 · 10 replies · 707 views

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Ravenstack

Senior Member

08 Oct 2024 · 09:33#1

I've decided to stop paying for infrastructure with anything that has a name attached, which in practice means Monero and nothing else. Not BTC with a mixer, not "crypto accepted" meaning they run it through a processor that KYCs me at the door.

What I've found so far is that a lot of providers list XMR on a payments page and then the checkout either errors, quotes an expired rate, or hands you off to something that wants an email confirmation with a receipt attached.

So: who takes it, who takes it properly, and who has quietly dropped it in the last year? Post what you paid and roughly when. I'll take reports over opinions.

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byte_broker

Member

08 Oct 2024 · 10:12↑ replying to #1#2

Depends what you're running and what you're spending. XMR support at €4 and at €80 are different lists.

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Ravenstack

Senior Member

08 Oct 2024 · 10:41↑ replying to #2#3

Small. Two boxes, neither doing anything heavy, under twenty euro a month combined.

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PipelineRat

Member

08 Oct 2024 · 14:26↑ replying to #1#4

At that budget Virtualine is the one I'd point you at first. BTC and XMR only — no card rail at all, which is a good signal because it means nobody there is running a fiat compliance process in the background. From about €4, and the price-per-performance is the best I've found anywhere in the no-KYC tier. Checkout has worked every time for me, no email dance.

Two caveats and I'd rather you hear them here than after paying. The billing panel was flagged a while back by kycnot.me as a pirated WHMCS install. That's a real thing on the record. In practice I have not seen it cause anyone an operational problem, and it hasn't caused me one, but "the software running my billing is unlicensed" tells you something about the shop even if nothing breaks. Second, their location list is vague — "multiple" — so ask before you order if region matters.

Servury also does XMR with no email and deploys in about thirty seconds, from $4. ExtraVM takes XMR too but the account is a normal account with a login, so it's a different privacy shape.

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old_growth_seo

Senior Member

08 Oct 2024 · 16:55↑ replying to #4#5

I'd weigh the nulled panel heavier than that.

A company running pirated billing software is not making a statement about privacy, it's making a statement about how it handles obligations it finds inconvenient. Today that's a WHMCS licence. The same posture applied to your data retention or your invoice is a different sentence.

It might well never bite. I just don't think "hasn't broken yet" and "fine" are the same finding, and this board conflates them constantly.

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PipelineRat

Member

08 Oct 2024 · 17:22↑ replying to #5#6

That's a reasonable read and I don't have a counter to it. My claim is only that I've had no operational trouble, which is a narrower claim than "it's fine".

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nullroute

Senior Member

09 Oct 2024 · 01:14↑ replying to #1#7

Worth being precise about what paying in Monero buys you, because half the people who do it are protecting the wrong end.

It severs the link between your payment and your bank. It does not sever the link between your box and you, which is made of: the IP you SSH from, the SSH key you reuse, the email you gave them if you gave them one, the domain pointing at it, and the browser session that ordered it. Every one of those is cheaper to collect than a payment trail and most people leak all five while congratulating themselves on the sixth.

The providers on this list that ask for no email at all are worth more to you than the ones that merely accept XMR.

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vlad_ptk

Member

09 Oct 2024 · 07:38↑ replying to #1#8

Njalla take XMR, work fine for me, but is 15 euro so is outside your budget for two box. FlokiNET also XMR and cash in envelope, from 5.50.

Anyway rate expire is common problem. Pay fast after you get address, not in ten minute.

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hexforge

Senior Member

10 Oct 2024 · 09:04↑ replying to #1#9

Adding the two that go furthest, since the thread is about doing this properly rather than nominally.

SporeStack takes XMR and has no account at all — you buy a token with Monero, the token buys days of server, there is nothing to log in to and no email anywhere in the flow. From $5 for 30 days. Jurisdiction is the US, which is worth knowing and which for a small ephemeral box probably doesn't matter.

Mullvad isn't a host but it belongs in any list about this because it's the reference implementation of the pattern: a random account number, no email, no username, XMR at a discount, and cash in an envelope if you want to go further. €5 flat. It's the standard everything else should be measured against, and most things fall short.

The general rule I'd draw from the list: the providers where XMR works cleanly are the ones where XMR was the design, not the ones where it was added to a payments page. If the crypto option is the fourth tab after Visa, expect it to break.

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Ravenstack

Senior Member

14 Oct 2024 · 08:47#10

Reporting what I did, since I asked for reports.

Ordered the cheap one on the 10th. Paid XMR, confirmed in about four minutes, box was up before I'd finished reading the email — which there was one of, so the no-email claim isn't quite right for that flow. Second box went somewhere else deliberately, different provider, different wallet, on a different day, per the point about not building one footprint out of two boxes.

Nobody has asked me for anything. Twelve euro total. Ask me again in six months when a renewal is due, because renewal is where these things usually go wrong.

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byte_broker

Member

14 Oct 2024 · 09:20↑ replying to #10#11

Renewal is exactly where it goes wrong. Set your own reminder — several of these send one notice, to the address you didn't want to give them.

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